Ive crowned myself king, and I demand it. Christie scored 163 points for the Bucs in 1990-91 and became an NFL free agent after two seasons, signing a free agent contract in 1992 with the Buffalo Bills. So here, Mary can be talking about salvation from threats in this life, not sin. A concrete example of this would be sacrifice. Alright what about the Immaculate Conception? So I think that is highly significant theres something very, very special about Mary in the way that its used along with the words definition. Its a word that really should be used strictly for God. And Catholics are very clear, we do not believe anything that contradicts what we find in sacred Scripture. Steve, we just heard from David Wright, the clock is ticking, those batteries could run out by early next week. I have also appeared several Did they believe Marys Well were out of time, so [inaudible 01:16:57]. Because thats what the Catholic Answers encyclopedia states. And we know this because this is explicitly stated in scripture. 15. A lot of mouthful, but thats what links are for. Thank you and God bless everyone. It refers to a natural sister as well or a biological [inaudible 01:15:42]. And I showed counter examples to that in each of those cases. So, if the greatest of those born before Christ wasnt constricted to accepting the canon Christie is defending, then we shouldnt be compelled to do the same, either. Greg is one of the leading apologists of our day and has had a huge impact on my personal and professional life. Christie then nailed a 46-yard field goal in overtime, giving the Bills their third victory of the season. Back to top Alert abuse. If she is not righteous, then Jesus did not redeem her and she is still dead in her trespasses and sins. Were debating whether scripture contradicts it, and that has not been demonstrated here. Its always nice to see people who are willing to put forward rigorous argument and engage others charitably. Why is there disagreement between relatives, older stepbrothers, cousins, et cetera? Were were talking about whats actually used in the New Testament, because even the New Testament writers would deviate from the Septuagint occasionally, because they would use a better translation. It would be an evidence chip, if you will, for it that we have to balance with other evidences. All right, so the Bible does not say that Mary committed a sin. But even at that, the Greek word for adelphi, in the Old Testament, when its used, its used even in a translation, not to mean anything other than a biological sister or a believing sister, like the sister nations of Israel and Judah. Both the Old and the New Testaments also use firstborn to indicate firstborn among other siblings, such as Esau being Isaacs firstborn and Ruben as Jacobs first born, meaning they were not firstborns out of their fathers wombs, considering men dont have wombs, but firstborn among their other children. The Protestant Old Testament canon is also not what we find in the oldest manuscripts of the Bible, such as codex Sinaticus and codex Vaticanus, which date from the fourth century after Christ. He says this is for, oh, Hey, now you have to give one to Steve. Sean McDowell, Ph.D. is a professor of Christian Apologetics at Biola University, a best-selling author of over 18 books, an internationally recognized speaker, and a part-time high school teacher. And more importantly, thats not what we are debating. Be sure to check out Steve's speech at Wyohackathon.io it was a very interesting talk about the history of money. Okay, you can start now. Thank you, Steve. I will take away their sins. Steven is related to James P Christie and Helen J Christie as well as 1 additional person. The Pharisees did not have unique doctrinal authority over all other Jews since, Jesus said the Pharisees shared the seat of Moses with the scribes (Matt. So this question is for Steve and this comes from Kevin, whos a local supporter. So does the Bible say Mary gave birth to anyone besides Jesus? Dear catholic.com visitors: This website from Catholic Answers, with all its many resources, is the worlds largest source of explanations for Catholic beliefs and practices. Geoffrey Stephen Christie (born November 13, 1967)[1] is a former Canadian American football placekicker in the National Football League (NFL), who, as a member of the Buffalo Bills, became known for his ability to kick clutch field goals, even in poor weather. And again, just to give an example in the Septuagint, in the Book of Sirach, which is inspired for Trent, but its not inspired for me, it uses the Greek word [Greek 00:47:52], which is a masculine form of [Greek 00:47:55] when it says, Hail Mary, full of grace. And its used to describe a man who is full of grace. Yeah, no, no, no. This is a great resource to have, and the beautiful photos of the children in the womb speak for themselves. Yeah. Same with Matthew 28. He had cancer and heart disease. And for Protestants, thats the same as well, because the doctrines of the canon of Scripture, or even Sola Scriptura itself are not found explicitly in Scripture. A protestant scholar Craig keener says neither the title favored or graced one nor the promise the Lord is with you was traditional in greetings even if the person had been of status. And again, in Sirach chapter 18, I think its verse 17 in the Septuagint uses this same Greek word, but in the masculine to refer to man being full of grace as [inaudible 01:21:46] and obviously Trent and I would agree that it doesnt mean that way. For example, we could ask the question were the apostles baptized? He was a key contributor in the Bills comeback win against the Houston Oilers, in which Buffalo rallied from a 32-point deficit[2] to complete the largest comeback victory in NFL history. Jesus tells the apostles and Matthew 28:20, Observe all that I have commanded you and behold, I am with you always to the close of the age. Even though Jesus will be with the apostles even after the present age comes to an end. I believe hes referring to part of a declaration in [inaudible 01:35:47], the declaration about the immaculate conception made by the Pope in 1854, saying that the fathers had always believed this about Mary being immaculately conceived. To say here Richard [Bachum 00:28:46], for example, who rejects, a Protestant scholar who rejects the Perpetual Virginity of Mary says, Its strange Jesus is called the son of Mary in Mark 6:3, rather than the son of Joseph. But that would make sense if Jesus had been born of Josephs second wife, Mary. So then the word adelphos could also apply in this case to describe people that they have the same adoptive father, Joseph, but different mothers, Josephs first wife and his second wife. You can get both of those on Amazon. So thats another one. Because as Steve agreed with me in this debate, the Greek word adelphos can mean adoptive sibling or half sibling. Matthew 18:17 says, Jesus says, If a person who sins against you refuses to listen to you or two or three witnesses, tell it to the church. And it seems to envision the church as having some kind of authoritative structure and not simply as the invisible bond between all believers. Of course, that is not what we are debating today. Yeah. . Thats fine. I dont know how you would feel. So unlike Twitter and YouTube, Im not going to get banned from saying the sorts of things I say that go against secular dogma. And weve seen that time and time again, and so Im going to address the other examples that hes just raised. And I really appreciate that you are arguing against Catholicism based on what she teaches, right? It says here that Jesus is the firstborn, prototokos, of Mary. If I could just. And it all goes down to the authority of Scripture. First Corinthians chapter seven, again, it says, For a season in order to separate, but then it says, So that you go back, married couples to go back so you do not get tempted by Satan because of your lack of self-control. You got five minutes, right? Steve Christie also has his own website. Here we go. All it shows is that even though she was free from sin, she still had human nature, and human nature is corrupted and mortal. ): 32 (3488th overall since 1960) High School: Trafalgar ( Canada ) 2 2 8 2 SUMMARY Career G 229 AV 45 FGM 336 FGA 431 XPM 468 XPA 473 Career Postseason 1990 1991 Hallow.com/mattfred. I do talk about how much evidence that Greek word has for the immaculate conception, and I also note in my book its use in the Book of Sirach. Thank you very much, Steve. Im not sure. Athanasius likewise calls Wisdom and Judith Scripture and appeals to Wisdom 7:25-27 as evidence for the deity of Christ. And so I think what I have shown is that all of these arguments that Steve has raised to try to show scripture contradicts the Marian Dogmas, it does no such thing. I would give this analogy to my protestant brothers and sisters. It may be used this way in Acts 25:21 to say that Paul was held in custody until he was sent to Rome, even though he was still in Roman custody after that point. - Fr. We have to remember that. Moreover, his arguments for a shorter Old Testament canon are contradicted by the biblical and historical evidence. And if you look into church history, these dogmas were not all agreed upon. And so I would say if youre a Protestant, for Protestants and Catholics, if the Marian dogmas can occupy at least that place. Now I think Steve would probably say that there can be Protestants who believe things that Scriptures silent about, like infant baptism. Over the past couple of years, I have followed the rise and fall of the Non-Sequitur show. In 2004, Christie was signed by the Jacksonville Jaguars to put some pressure on struggling rookie Josh Scobee. So does that mean that Mary could have had daughters because it says, the son of Mary? But that is simply not the case. Peels notes in his study of the passage, Jesus is not marking beginning and end points in time but rather is contrasting Abels secret death in the wilderness with Zechariahs public death in the Temple. Does the Bible say that every human person without exception has been conceived in original sin? So he would be referred to as the son of Joseph sometimes. Not just on the Marian dogmas, but also regarding salvation. Thats not true. Sounds like youre posing the question to you, Steve. The second man Christ is from heaven as is the earthy Adam so also are those who are earthy and as is the heavenly Christ so also are those who are heavenly. Well, theres Pokemon The First Movie, and it was so bad, there were no other movies. Go to Case For Catholicism, if you want more. Yes. The second best result is Steven Luke Christie age 40s in New Hyde Park, NY in the Garden City Park neighborhood. As I had mentioned, the way a dogma can contradict scripture is if its explicit, implicit, or partial. It can only mean figurative sister or biological sister. As long the difference between Mariological title versus Christological title, thats probably where we would disagree, but go ahead. Id have to respond individually. Yeah. As I had mentioned about the Greek word, adelphi, let me remind everyone that this is about what scripture actually teaches and to remind that the Septuagint is a translation. And two, they are binding to the faithful Catholic, who is threatened with an anathema if they reject any of them, despite them all contradicting God-breathed scripture. So just a historical note for everybody watching. Singleton New South Wales MRC Australia provide radiator and cooling solutions to Mining , Automotive, Industrial , Agricultural , Marine and Rail Operations. Just want to offer an encouragement for those who are watching in the live chat or who watch this later. The Protestant biblical scholar, Victor Hamilton, says, To say that Jesus is Marys prototokos is simply to say Mary had no child before she gave birth to Jesus. This is a term that refers to the child who opens the womb, and it makes sense that Luke would use prototokos because the term, firstborn, is later used in Luke 2:22 through 23 to talk about the purification rite and rite of presenting those who are the firstborn. Although the Pharisees had authority regarding ritual practices, they did not have doctrinal authority over other Jews, including those who came to believe Jesus was the messiah. Apologetics for the Masses #366 - 4 Words That Changed the World, Part III. It doesnt even imply that. For example, Strongs 80, are you aware that it describes adelphos, it says a brother, a member of the same religious community, a fellow Christian. Hence, if anyone shall dare to think otherwise, let him know and understand that he is condemned by his own judgment, that he has suffered shipwreck in the faith and that he has been separated from the unity of the church. Edward John Carnell - was a prominent and influential Christian theologian and apologist. Well, I would say that it contradicts it because if she was indeed sinless, Mary would not have been bodily assumed into heaven for the reasons I stated in my opening statement. Dr. Steven A. Christie MD Radiology General Radiology Kendall, FL Male 21+ Yrs Experience English 7500 SW 87th Ave, Kendall, FL Overview Location & Contact Education & Experience Overview. But again, this is another argument by exception because even if shes referring back to Hannah, the debate is about how these dogmas, whether or not theyre how theyre used in scripture. First, Christies argument for the Pharisees canon being identical to modern Protestant Old Testament comes from a selective quotation from my colleague Jimmy Akin. Lets start with the last books of the Protestant Old Testament, which Christie and many other Protestants says are Ezra and Nehemiah in the fifth century B.C. Okay. Richard Bauckham, for example, says, The word adelphi, hes an eminent New Testament scholar, need not mean full sister. I do believe thats good evidence that Mary was Josephs second wife, at least thats my personal view, but that doesnt prove that Mary didnt give birth to others. Some Protestants cast out on the Marian Dogmas by claiming they dont appear early enough in church history to count as being apostolic. And so if it doesnt contradict scripture, then it should be an issue between Catholics and Protestants of secondary importance, much like how people disagree about infant baptism. So some of this has been answered, but he seems like hes asking, could a Protestant accept some of these Marian dogma and remain a Protestant and someone that you would fellowship with? The Bible does describe a group of people as the brethren of the Lord but it doesnt say that these people were Jesuss biological siblings through Mary. However, Paul cant be saying that every single person commits personal sins because the Bible itself contradicts this. Just like that Scripture includes things within it that are not necessarily scientifically accurate, scriptures without error. And this includes Mary, who Jesus saved her by redeeming and delivering her from her sins. [These verses] cannot figure as crown witnesses for the view that the Old Testament canon in Jesus days was fixed and closed (The Blood from Abel to Zachariah). If this verse in Psalm 69 is applied non-literally to Jesus, the verse that talks about, My mothers sons, can also be applied in a non-literal way. By contrast, some quoted Sirach as a book of Scripture, though it was eventually excluded. Philosophy program at Talbot. Steve Christie also has his own website. Im throwing you a bone here. A Response to Pastor Chip Thornton's Anti-Catholic Newspaper Article. Steve will point to Jesus in sacred scripture. And Steve and I also both agreed that the universality of things like sin or death dont preclude exceptions. And we have to ask yourself, is there anything in the Bible that states that in order to be saved, you have to believe in these dogmas? They were committed to Sola scriptura but we also have to remember that even though they were formers, they were also Roman Catholics and their issue with Romans was not about Marian dogmas, it was about the authority of scripture over the authority of the church. When the Bible talks about all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, as I mentioned in my opening statement, its a Greek word pas, which means, everyone, which would include Mary. . But the problem with this argument is that it says in Luke 2:22-24, that its offered for their purification. Steve Christie Co-founder at Provizio; Accident Prevention Technology Belfast Metropolitan Area Proviz.io, +2 more Queen's University Belfast Steve Christie Advisor - Halliburton Consulting. We use Christian Apologetics to discuss, interview, & debate for God's existence, & Christianity. Yeah. I dont know if I would. Which church father would you want to preach at your church? It uses [Greek 00:37:34], not [Greek 00:37:36]. Its nice to be able to go through all of these scripture passages. Submit to my authority. I agree that it is used predominantly of Jesus, talking about salvation from sin, but I would say read the context. Okay. Finally, as H.G.L. And even if it wasnt, I dont see the relevance to it. Yeah. Hallo.com/mattfred. The danger of submitting to this fallible authority extends to submitting to their authority of their unbiblical view of salvation of infusion of grace through the sacraments, which also contradicts Scripture, which teaches justification by imputation of grace by faith alone. She would have to have a heavenly body. The same in any intellectual study. Hebrews 11:5 states, "By faith Enoch was taken up so that he would not see death.' And he was not found because God took him up. The Isaiah 7:14 prophecy only indicates that Mary was to remain a virgin during her pregnancy and up to the Messiahs birth., The NAB continues, The evangelist is simply concerned to emphasize that Joseph was not responsible for the conception of Jesus, which is why Matthew stresses the child who has been conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. Therefore when Mark 6:3 refers to Jesus brothers and sisters not honoring him, we know this refers to Jesus younger half siblings. It is currently the longest field goal ever made in Super Bowl History. Man commits idolatry when he honors and reviews a creature in place of God. And Trent and I would agree that doesnt mean it, in fact, that wasnt even an argument. So that would mean if youre the firstborn, that youre going to have other children. So my question for you then would be what are some objections you hear from Protestants that when you hear them, you think, Oh goodness, you dont even understand the Catholic position. So starting with Trent. And the same is true for Mary. That would be one. When Mary said, I know not man, in Luke 1:34, does this indicate a vow of perpetual virginity? Also, Christie claims, as do many Protestants, that Jesus and the apostles endorsed only the Protestant canon because they never explicitly cite the deuterocanonical books of Scripture. Can a person die? I would probably enjoy Clement of Rome, even though 1 Clement wasnt written by an individual, but rather there was a poly group of bishops in 1 Clement. Do you know him? Well, the Septuagint was a Greek translation that was finished around 134 BC. But its still the first movie. Well, it uses the Greek word for brother. In Isaiah 7:16 it talks about a time before a child knows how to refuse the evil and choose the good. But if we just read Scripture and read it fairly and charitably, theres nothing that contradicts, so far, Mary being mother of God, ever Virgin, or being immaculately conceived. Look, weve got 737 people watching and only 492 likes. What you ended up finding also from this, as well as other dogmas, when you go back to it, you find a lot of these dogmas originating in apocalyptic literature. But when the Bible talks about a firmament, that talks about an ancient, incorrect view of the heavens. While the New Testament does use different Greek words translated until to refer to the condition continuing after the event, such as [foreign language 00:02:21] on its own, [foreign language 00:02:25] is never used once this way in the entire New Testament. None of the authors of the deuterocanonical books refer to a delineated list of writings (Hebrew, Ketuvim) within a closed Hebrew canon that did not include their own works. So if you got a hallow.com/mattfred right now, click that link in the description below, youll get a three month trial. In Speaking for the Unborn, Dr. Steven Christie offers very clear, convincing, and often witty answers to almost every possible argument in favor of abortion. And he told the Thessalonians who that was, but we dont know who that was, and [inaudible 01:06:25] biblical scholars have had many different answers and we dont know much the same this particular truth about whether Mary died or not. Singing professionally for over 30 years, Steve Christie is a seasoned performer. Im sure Trent doesnt think that that man is immaculate conceived, because there are those at Catholic Answers and elsewhere who thinks [Greek 00:48:09] or [Greek 00:48:11] eight means that they were always in a state of grace, meaning that Mary was sinless. So ultimately, weve seen this and I think whats important to remember all of this, that these dogmas do not take the place of Christ. Do it, or dont do it. Email steve.christie@mrcaustralia.com.au. . Trent, whenever you begin, Ill click the timer. This is make or break time. So this question comes from Mitchell Godfrey, and Im going to just change his question a little because he said he is not going to be watching live. We discuss his books, with the most popular being Why Protestant Bibles Are Smaller, and well as leading Bible studies in his home. But those who knew the family, why he is called the son of Mary is interesting, and a good explanation is that he was born of Mary, and that Mary was Josephs second wife. As a matter of fact, if you want to, immediately after this debate, I made two videos. And in fact, in the Old Testament, only begotten and firstborn are used interchangeably. No, it doesnt. For a long time, a noted Christian apologist has publicly staked out a position that challenges the literal claims in the Book of Genesis but another apologist warns that position is a dangerous denial of truth and scripture. That has not been handed down to us but that she was assumed in heaven was even though [inaudible 01:06:39]. For example, Denver seminary professor Joseph Dodson says, Scholars for at least three centuries have found value in comparing the deuterocanonical book of Wisdom and Romans (The Powers of Personification: Rhetorical Purpose in the Book of Wisdom and the Letter to the Romans). And notice that Steve kept saying, Yeah, it says all have sinned. Jesus, of course, is the exception. He then went on to kick five field goals in the Bills 29-10 win over the Miami Dolphins in the AFC championship game, helping Buffalo get to their third consecutive Super Bowl. First Corinthians 15 talks about heavenly bodies and that Mary is given Well, I think what Steve was saying here is that, okay, well, Mary had an earthy body. I do talk about this in my book and there, I note that its used differently than in Sirach 18:17, where the word is also used in those situations. Second, the Zechariah killed in 2 Chronicles was the son of Jehoiada, not Berechiah. United States. Steve Christie also has his own website. It talks about the universality of sin, like in Romans 3:23, All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. But Paul is talking about the universality of personal sin between Jews and non-Jews. Take your time there, Steve, getting yourself ready. Do it right now. And I can honestly say the same thing about Mary especially with the oppression of Rome and the Jews especially after Jesus was born. As an authorised Mesabi dealer and supplier of tube and shell . All right. I mean, aside from the dogmas, I think one of the ones that make me cringe is that Catholics worship Mary, where every time I hear that, Im like And I brought it up, but I explained I came about it through a different way. An interview of Gary Habermas with Steve Forkin of No Apologies; Video Link . So thats also a bad argument. Also death is not a sign of being a sinner, as Steve alluded to earlier. The relevance would be that you are using it. Sure. What plunged mankind into the fall was Adams sin, which resulted in Adam and by extension all of mankind, including Mary, physically dying. And we can actually discern from others passages in scripture that Jesus brothers are his biological younger half siblings. This also contradicts the biblical purpose of an assumption. 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