27:52 is in present tense. Otherwise, it could be also the Lihyanites, who disappeared some time before Isa (as), they also had some kind of rock art. This bears enough similarity to the description of the Thamd dwellings in theQurn to induce certain authors to claim that they are the houses of the Thamd. According to Dr. Nehme, a senior research scientist at the French National Center for Scientific Research, the Nabateans have left us with almost no written material that would shed any light on their origins or even daily affairs. Heres how Allah describes their punishment. As were dealing with an allegation that is mostly Christian in origin, I am going to start with what the Bible says about the topic. The word atharan or assar as loosely written in Urdu literally means effects or reactions or remnants left behind as an escape of a crime scene where clues or signs point to. But unlike most of the others, these two stand out for not having any clear counterpart in the Judeo-Christian tradition a wellspring of Middle Eastern traditions, of which Islam draws in so small measure. They were so proud of their accomplishments, that they built huge castles, palaces, and other structures as symbols of their power. Umar reported that the people encamped along with Allahs Messenger () in the valley of Hijr, the habitations of Thamud, and they quenched their thirst from the wells thereof and kneaded the flour with it. They were Giants and so powerful. So leave her to eat within Allahs land and do not touch her with harm, lest there seize you a painful punishment. The Arabs on the Iranian side of the Gulf tend to speak a dialect much closer to Gulf Arabic opposed to the Khuzestani Arabic which is closer to Iraqi Arabic. And indeed (their destruction) is clearly apparent to you from their (ruined) dwellings. The Quran states regarding them: , And to the Thamud [We sent] their brother Salih. Some of these questions were sincere, but most of the time they were just trying to trip him up. Obadiah 1:3 Because inscriptions cannot be relied upon with 100 percent certainty, its possible that the inscriptions are Nabatean while the structures are not. Thirdly, the hadith you quoted isnt the only hadith on the topic. [27] Both tribes are of great reputed antiquity and, according to traditional Arab genealogists, are two of the four ba 'ida, or extinct tribes. We are in grave doubt about what you are asking us to do." [30], In the 12th century, the Arab Ja'alin tribe migrated into Nubia and Sudan and formerly occupied the country on both banks of the Nile from Khartoum to Abu Hamad. This came to pass, and Thamud was annihilated. The most striking thing about the Thamud was the huge buildings and structures they built into the sides of mountains. When God permitted the prophet to do this, some of the tribesmen followed Salih, while many powerful leaders continued to oppose him. These things had huge doors, elaborate engravings, complex designs, and must have been an amazing sight in their time. Badawi writes: [li] and his followers left the doomed area just before Gods punishment befell them. The Akkadians are the Arameans who are the Chaldeans who are the Nabateans who absorbed The Amorites. If accurate, the Prophet Salih (s) would have lived many generations and perhaps centuries before Moses. Their responses were a reflection of this culture. The Thamud were scientists. They were a little more inquisitive (at least at first). The Nabateans who made the carvings in Madain Saleh and Petra, as well as other Arab groups like the Dedanites/Lihyanites, are their successors. Have not read their own bibles. According to the Quran, they were hit by a blast that destroyed them. If the Bible tells us nothing more, at least it illustrates that carving out structures on mountains predated the Nabateans, and that is all we need to refute the Christian allegation against the Quran. Jumping the gun, 2. I dont understand this question and how it is relevant to our topic at hand. The Thamud were Arabs, and the Bible tells us in Genesis 28:9 that Esauthe father of the Edomites married into the Ishmaelites, so that makes Edomites half Arabs also. Al does not make anything past or present or future. Rise, let us go against her for battle And Ad and Thamud-it must be clear to you from their dwelling places! It mentions the elusive city of Iram (mentioned in the above Quranic verse), and reads May Abdallhi son of Atmo be remembered for all time before Allt, the goddess of Iram.. However, there survived long after that, people who still called themselves Thamd. They are related to the Banu Abs tribe.[33]. Dont ever think youre indespensible. The fact that these structures are still around today, after nearly 4000 years is a testament to their quality and design. [5] This entire passage has been sent by Waqar. Thamd, li, al-ijr, Gods She-camel, Arabia and the Arabs by Robert Hoyland, Professor of Late Antique and Early Islamic Middle Eastern History at New York Universitys Institute for the Study of the Ancient World, pg 68. However, that does not solve the dilemma of who carved out the hills and mountains in Petra because the Edomites existed prior to the Nabateans, who according to the Christians were the ones who carved out the mountains and hills of Petra and Madian Saleh in 1st or 2nd century B.C. We must look at them, ponder over the signs of Allah and take heed. Yes, I understood but if you read my comment, youll see that this problem is addressed. Pickthall And (the tribes of) A'ad and Thamud! Have not invested any considerable time investigating the actual archeological claims. It does not imply that they were carved by members of the ancient tribe of Thamd. [15], But despite the presence of a tribe called the Thamud as late as the fourth century, sixth-century Arab poets whose works are preserved in post-Islamic sources were already referring to the Thamud as an ancient and long-lost tribe whose very name recalled the transience of all things. These prefixes ignored in the alphabetical ordering: Al, Banu. Wadi al-Qura, refer to the article above. So youd then say that the buildings at Madain Salih were indeed originally Thamudic and then after that built upon by other nations? 41.13-18 Kathir - Ibn Al Kathir. As for their dates, I do not know and it is not necessary that they would have to be very close to each other. Also if it is in the present it makes it sound there buildings were like brand new like not destroyed etc, This is it then Im done but thank you very much for answering my questions jazzakkallah, 3. When Salih began to preach monotheism, the Thamud demanded that he prove his prophethood by bringing forth a pregnant camel from solid rock. Some Muslims have mistakenly equated sites such as these with the first Thamud of the Quran, but it is believed by archaeologists that a different group of people called the Nabataeans, in fact, built some of these sites. 89:9 is in past tense. But as a sign of their wickedness, they killed her. The Middle verse in chapter (25) of the Noble Quran talks about Noah's people, Ad (the people of the prophet Hud) and Thamud (the people of the prophet Salih). Now we dont see the remains of Nuhs AS people now do we? : | _ books. Theres no real reason to mention them lastly, except they came after al-Rass and they are also included in this chronological order as well. after Isa (as), the period there were no prophets aynmore- how they could then deny their messenger? They were often stronger than you in signs or athar left behind has been oft repeated. 2) The dwellings of Thamud are elsewhere in the valley of Hijr. 3 The pride of your heart has deceived you, Source: Sahih Muslim 2980, Grade: Sahih. If we try to discuss the lineage of the Arabs well be here forever. 4 Though you soar like the eagle The Thamud did not worship God, and were disobedient. We hardly know anything about the Nabateans aside of their nomadic life-style, which is not consonant with building these incredible structures. Summary: The cravings that Quran says were done by Thamud were in Wad l-Qura. "Thamud are an ancient Arabia, tribe or group of tribes that seem to have been prominent from about the 4th century BC to the first half of the 7th century AD. I am also writing an text on this that I inshaAllah will put up online. The shout, which is an extremely loud sound, might have caused the earthquake, according to certain scholars. The account presented in Surah an-Naml also mentions nine evil people of Thamud who are immediately responsible for God's punishment of their people[Quran27:4851] in a narrative reminiscent of Jewish descriptions of the demise of Sodom. He replaced the people of the Flood with the Aad and then replaced the Aad with the Thamud. 4) That the ORIGINAL dwellings in the valley were Thamuds but Nabateans built them further. He said: ., Do not enter (the dwelling places) of these people unless you enter weeping, but if you weep not, then do not enter upon them, lest you be afflicted with what they were afflicted with [Bukhari]. Perhaps they wandered through the Arabian Peninsula for some time looking for a new home. The wordings themselves state so and all the tafaseer also state this. Allah knows best if that really happened (this event is not mentioned in the Quran or Sunnah.). Trudy Ring, Noelle Watson, Paul Schellinger. (9:70) Have they not heard the accounts of those who came before them [77] - of the people of Noah and 'Ad and Thamud, and the people of Abraham and the dwellers of Madyan (Midian), and the cities that were overturned? Four generations is only about eighty years and its unlikely, in my humble opinion, that they were able to establish a new socieity, invent a new religion, and forget all about their ancestors the Aad in such a short time. The Quran mentions Aad as successor to the people of Noah (Q 7:69), and Thamud, as successor to Aad in turn (Q 7:74). Firstly, Ashab al-Hijr seem to be Thamud (15:80-85) because although this is the only time they are called this name, commentators unanimously agree that they are Thamud. I believe neither are in error. from there I will bring you down, And God knows best. Thus, we can say that perhaps this ones were the Nabataeans. But as is clear from the above discussion, Thamud were thriving as late as maybe the 4th century AD, while the people of Aad have left their final trails, only a few centuries before that. Unfortunately, both nations rejected their prophets. After the destruction of the Ad, the tribe of Thamud succeeded them in power and glory. They used to carve in the past and their present structure is not described in this Ayah. Is al ula walid al qura MALIK'S MUWATTA, BOOK 9: Shortening the Prayer || __ - . This also makes it clear that the people were punished. The Thamd were known from contemporary sources to have occupied parts of the Hejaz region, and later Islamic tradition holds that they settled on the slopes of Mount Athlab. The Arabs then could see Thamud dwellings but we today cannot. [2] We do not know where they went, but they carried on the practice of stone carvings in the mountains. God sent Salih to warn them, then after they ignored him and murdered a she-camel that God sent, He killed them and left only Salih and those who followed him alive. The tribes of Arabia engaged in nomadic herding and agriculture since 6000 BCE. Arabian tradition holds that the Thamud kingdom was destroyed by God. And [We destroyed] 'Aad and Thamud and the companions of the well and many generations between them. If we remember that Ismails mother (Hajjar) was an Egyptian, or Coptic, slave, and his father Prophet Ibrahim (AS) was Babylonian, then its obvious that he couldnt also be Arab. The video (arabic): https://youtu.be/0XIPP6vsDmA. Also two Saheeh reports are contradicting each other: One the one hand, they are resting at al Hijr, while on the other hand it is said that they didnt rest at all and kept riding away faster from Hijr. Nabateans replaced them and built on them/around them, 4. In fact, we even know the scripts they used! [4] This entire passage has been sent by Sharif. al-Hijr, the second most important centre of the Nabataean empire, is the title of the 15th chapter of the Quran. From some understanding, it is derived that Thamud were an ancient Arab people well before Musa (as) and possibly well before Ibrahim (as) and hence the tombs (no dwellings to be seen in the present day ruins) must be very ancient and not recent like the Nabataeans. What the hidden 85 percent will reveal remains to be seen. This is the temple that was built by the tribal unit of Thamud, the leaders of their unit, so that it might be established by their hands and be their place of veneration for ever7. And when you strike, you strike as tyrants.Chapter 26, Verse 130. Certainly many of these ancient civilizations were advanced for their times and certainly more advanced than the Arabs as they had very little structures and civilization development and they were tribal societies and not big cities. Akkadians are from Prophet Hud pbuh. One of the main lessons I see is that we must be very careful about mocking or challenging Allah. It had no written law, but the tribal leader played the role of ruler. [25] The Arab tribes of Maqil migrated to the Maghreb a century later and even immigrated southwards to Mauritania. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. Continue the discussion, Ok thanks so what does atharan mean in classical arabic or can it mean effects and results in classical arabic as well can it mean made as well as left jazzakkallah, And you said that there remains will show they once were better then you do you mean like if throw there might only be a few bricks left those bricks will still show they once were better because of the size of those bricks and how they were carved and the same with broken pillars even this they are broken the size of the circle shaped and the way they are cut they show that they were once supier and still are by the relics than you is that what you mean jazzakkallah by there relics show they once were better even there not that great now like old roman and egyptian bricks not standing but lieing down decaying but we can still tell they built better stuff like all I have to do is find one large bone of a dinosaur to know they are big that I dont need to find a lot of bones to know that is that what you mean jazzakkallah, I mean witch of these sound more like what the verses are saying 1. It may very well be that during the time of the prophet, certain structures were still apparent to them that are now hidden due to natural occurrences, such as earthquakes, accretion of sand and erosion with time. For a few reasons. She states that all we have are A few papyri, which are mainly private contracts, and thousands of graffiti scattered on the rocks, 90% of which contain only the name of the individual who wrote it, his fathers name, and a formulaic greeting. In other words either the evidence no longer exists (no problem) or Thamudic dwellings in North West Arabia are yet to be discovered. What do we know about the Nabateans? They were scientists and technicians and craftsmen, so they wanted conclusive proof. Aad and Thamud are two of several communities described in the Quran as recipients of Gods chosen prophets and being utterly destroyed for rejecting them. [17], Thamud is mentioned twenty-three times in the Quran as part of a moralistic lesson about God's destruction of sinful nations, a central motif in the Quran. The people led wealthy excessive lives, built grand buildings, both on the plains, and carved into the hills. Here is the summary of his opinion: ( ) which only proves that al-Hijr was also the land of the Thamud which is not a problem. [13] Robath is likely the ancient name of modern al-Ruwfa. So away with Thamud! Man, you must be crazy. 74], , And certainly did the companions of Thamud deny the messengers. The Thamd are infrequently mentioned in contemporary indigenous Arabian sources, although two Safaitic inscriptions carved some time between the first century BCE and the fourth century CE refer to "the year of the war between Gm and the tribe of Thamd [snt rb gm l md]". Ignore the entire thing and continue to spread their deception and lies. You mentioned that there are many house-like structures in the valley today, so perhaps they are one of those. Dont ignore them. God sent down a milch camel as his sign, and Salih told his countrymen that they should not harm the camel and allow it to drink from their well. In the historical and archaeological record, both were contemporaries, but by the time of the Prophet in the 7th century AD, they had become little more than a distant memory, and their ruins, places of myth and legend. But the Thamud cut its hamstring or otherwise wounded it. "[22] The stone constructions of Hegra are actually mostly from the Nabataean period, especially the first century CE. Later still, we find them mentioned by Ptolemy (d. 168AD), in his Geography.6. I do understand why most Christians are unaware of the fine details interspersed within the ponderous and drawn-out book. Hence, they had become very rich. Tribes originating in the Arabian Peninsula. Its like me living in a house, then someone tears it down and then builds another house and says Abdullah used to live in that house while the fact is that I did not. The Nabataean alphabet was adopted by Arabs to the south, and evolved into modern Arabic script around the 4th century. There existed a nation called the Edomites. The arguments against the Quran and Hadith are as follows: Al-Hijr Archaeological Site (Madin Slih) UNESCO World Heritage Centre. Chapter___ MUSLIMS ARE FUNDAMENTALISTS AND TERRORI Chapter___ Human Embryonic Development __ Qur'an a Atowar Rahman Salafi _ Atowar Rahman Salafi | atow Suhih Bukhari_ Book of "End of the World". [ Qur'an and Suhih Sunnah - Islamic Knowledge ]. That these are the people of Aad, is hinted by a Nabataean inscription in Wadi Ramm, at a temple dedicated to the goddess Allat. If they were made for dead bodies, it stands to reason that we should find at least one dead body in them. As regarding to the Ahadith from Ibn Umar (as), they seem to be a interpretation of him itself, the prophet (as) says nothing about them. Look, it doesnt matter if you warn us or dont warn us, were not going to listen to you. But the Thamud were more nuanced in their rejection. Hud was from among the Aad himself, as Allah mentions in the Quran: Aad denied the Messengers when their brother Hud said to them: Will you not fear Allah?Chapter 26, Verses 124 125. It is generic for multitude of civilizations [5] In 1846, many Arab Rashaida migrated from Hejaz in present-day Saudi Arabia into what is now Eritrea and north-east Sudan after tribal warfare had broken out in their homeland. The terror you inspire Imagine if in a thousand years, the United States is a completely different landscape, much of it devoid of inhabitants and all of the history associated with its people are lost. [15] A major source of income for these people was the taxation of caravans, and tributes collected from non-Bedouin settlements. Assalamualaikum the ruined abandoned wells may possible be referring to those belonging to the People of Ar-Rass (i.e. These people incurred the wrath of God and were destroyed. There is a place called Khyber at Pakistan/Afghanistan border but that is NOT the Khyber of Madina. As Suleyman Dost observes, The Qurns reference to rock-cut dwellings fits the picture perfectly with the exception that these carved niches do not seem to have functioned as living areas3, Returning to textual references, Diodorus, a Greek historian writing in the first century BC, mentions a group called Thamoudnoi in North-Western Arabia4. 14. As for objection number one, as far as my research has shown, the only reason that the carved-out structures are considered tombs is due to various rectangular carved out niches inside them where the dead bodies were to be placed. Well, next to nothing. 1. The Ghassanids, Lakhmids and Kindites were the last major migration of pre-Islamic Arabs out of Yemen to the north. It is large enough to house individuals, should they have chosen to live inside them. After the given time was over, an earthquake shook the land violently and destroyed the people of Thamud in one cry. And when they conqured people, they did so in a harsh, brutal, and ruthless manner. these 2 ayat that have been repeated elsewhere are a beautiful reminder of the lessons to be learned and ibra from the civilizations that have long gone and their signs remain for those that follow and there are many such examples of these very beautiful and instructive verses. Thus, from the aforementioned verses we have gleaned the following: 1. The Nabatean inscriptions are the ancient equivalent of graffiti, which humans even today have a predilection for. They mainly settled in the Hauran region and spread to modern Lebanon, Palestine and Jordan. Had the Prophet () thought that the rock carved structures in al-Hijr were those of Thamd, he would have pointed them out. Its not an easy read, especially as most of the stories leave the reader perplexed in terms of their relevancy to ones personal life or attainment of anything didactic that enriches or nurtures a relationship with God. According to the Islamic tradition, the Thamd were warned by the prophet li to worship Allh, but the Thamd stubbornly refused and as a result were annihilated either by a thunderbolt or by an earthquake. [23] The ninth-century Muslim scholar Ibn Sad believed that the Thamud were the Nabateans. After several centuries of independent existence, it was finally incorporated into the Roman empire in 106 AD. So they concluded that the Nabateans did constructed them. They are mentioned in the Quran as examples of civilizations that Allah had destroyed because of their sins and as signs of the fleeting nature of the worldly power. When they cut the hamstring of a female camel that God had sent down for them, despite the prophet's warnings, they were annihilated, except for Salih and his followers. Saudi Arabia, in terms of archaeology, is really untouched. He said, "My people, worship God. I dont know and this is a good aspect of the Quran; it does not go into such things and instead instructs us to focus on the message and not the nitty gritty. The glorious Qur'an considered the people of 'Ad after Nuh (a); when it says, "and that it is He who destroyed the former 'Ad", "The former 'Ad" were the people of Prophet Hud (a) who lived after the people of Nuh (a) and before the people of Thamud. Missionaries and polemicists seize upon the error of this folklore as an alleged example of the error of the Quran, but in reality, this is not the case. The Quran mentions the Thamud as an example of an ancient polytheistic people who were destroyed by God for their sins. They were successors to the People of Noah. 1995. International Dictionary of Historic Places. Under the Umayyad Caliphate, Arabic became the official language in Egypt rather than Coptic or Greek. There is no possibility that these were houses. Qur'anic accounts of Salih always follow those of Hud. You may look at any tafsir, these Ayaat are general and simply refer to destroyed civilisations which may be Indus Valley (Mohenjodaro, Harappa), Sodom, and Pompeii among many others. The Rashaida of Sudan and Eritrea live in close proximity with the Beja people. The Middle verse in chapter (11) of the New Testament says:" He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." The Middle verse in chapter (11) of the . Updates? It sure is something to ponder over and come up with a hujja to explain. Does 22:45 say thamud castles and palaces are empty in the present tense with the well or is this verse talking about something else, 13. Since I dont have my own blog currently, I will post it here, in case it helps anyone. This has led traditional Muslim historians to place the two quite early in history, much before the time of even Abraham and Moses. Its also implausible that a people who would be at the helm of such epic architectural and engineering achievements would not even make mention of it, or at least keep a record of it. An envoy was sent to the nations to say, 5. By not on the surface, I mean that they did not exist like a proper city or open to any passer by and were deep inside some unvisited territory. It is very conceivable that those individuals who established this society became the pillars of the nation and their descendents took advantage of that and maintained a stranglehold on the wealth of the nation. They built buildings on the land and also carved them in hills. This is because Prophet Ismail (AS) is often considered to be the father of Arabs just like Prophet Ishaaq/Isaac (AS) is considered to be the father of the Israelites. Thus, the possibility exists that the Edomites copied the mountainous dwellings of the Thamud, just as the Nabateans may have copiedor took over the architectural style of the Edomites or the Thamud and added their own flavor. Assalam alikum forget the rest of what Ive put down but I was just wondering does 36:41 prove that every one on the earth comes from the people of tge ark if yes then how does that work because people could still see thamud dwellings so that means they could only come thousands of years of go but we know noah had to come near them but we know humans have been here at least 40 thousand bc so how do we explain this, Assalam alikum thanks for the answers but thamud had to be destroyed no lesser than 3000 bc not 800 bc jazzakallah because thamud came before Abraham jazzakallah but thanks, Also if the quran says the area is wadi al qura then madian al saleh is not wadi al qura jazzakallah but thanks, But of course in there empire day they would of probably built in wadi al qura and al ula and madian al saleh and else where in there area because they would of had a large population any where between 20 thousand to 50 thousand people because mekkah and median together came to 20-40 thousand people in the prophets day and 40:21 says these people were more in population so they had to be more than mekkah and median, Assalam alikum also dies 7:74 mean that Thamud were the descendents of ad or not or were they they descendents of ad jazzakallah. Allah says: `Say, O Muhammad, to these idolators who disbelieve in the message of truth that you have brought: If you turn away from that which I have brought to you from Allah, then I warn you of the punishment of Allah like the . However, as the Christians have proposed an objection to the notion of any other people carving structures in hills and mountains prior to the Nabateans, this leaves the Christians with the following options: (1). According to Saudi-archeology website, an academic website aimed at archiving the rock images and providing archeological information on them, the structure may have been used for holding sacred feasts. We have a good perspective of the size of these supposed tombs in this picture, as the faade has been destroyed. 3) The tombs were in fact built by Thamud as houses and the Nabateans simply inscribed them later. God destroyed them. Such an amazing thing was supposed to be their sign. This is what the Sovereign LORD says about Edom Or just left relics in land 6. The Nabataean kingdom existed from the 3rd or 2nd century BC, could it be that their punishment was a long one after a prophet was sent to them sometime before Prophet Isa AS? His people came after Ad, and they were known as Thamud. Can someone please answer 89:9 because Im really stuck on this verse. [20] The traditional Muslim view is that the destruction of Thamud occurred before the prophethood of Abraham. Their responses, while snarky, were fairly simple. The leftover of Ad were taken and built over by Thamud. Not every opinion that he held was necessarily a divine revelation. Then remember the favors of Allah and do not commit abuse on the earth, spreading corruption. [7:73. They write new content and verify and edit content received from contributors. Also you said 89:9 means a valley is not Madain al saleh a vally or is it not Then bring us what you promise us if you are among the truthful.Chapter 7, Verse 70, It is all the same to us if you advise us are not from among the advisors. due to the belief as mentioned in the Quran that warners were sent to all Nations. Possible answer: Their messenger lived before or even during the time of Isa (as), this also the time where this site flourished, but when they denied him, Allah did not destroy them immidiantely. 9. Hence, the Prophet (s) and his companions did visit the land of Thamud and reflected upon the ruins of many idolatrous peoples found there, but they did not claim that any of these specific artifacts belonged to the first tribe of Thamud from the Quran. 11. Furthermore, there is also proof that they had some elements of true Islam in their faith. They didnt bluntly reject Salih like the Aad did to Hud. p.190. 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