If you, as an individual, can put in the training required to fully leverage 40S&W or 45acp then it can be a great choice for personal defense. Like clipped on the front of your backpack harness or belt, in a manner where it can quickly be retrieved and used. If you are going to go through all the trouble to defend yourself and/ or others you might as well knock the bad guy(s) down - and take their soul at the same time. If you load your own and clock your loads, this is not news. That is some nice expansion from the 9mm ammo. I have both, I have practiced more with the 45 ACP. Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. You can vaguely cite "muzzle energy" but it ultimately means nothing with so many variables. ), 9mm (379 ft. Bottom line, the FBI testing protocol and testing results are really more examples of government inefficiency, and should not be held in such high regard in my opinion. Thanks. The faster the projectile (either a bullet or a linebacker), the more energy is driven into the target. Muzzle velocity is key. a G43 to an AR15 fight. I soon will be adding a Colt Commander in 9mm to my cc option. My sub-compacts with their polymer frames are smaller and easier and lighter to carry than a steel 1911. . Does anybody have one of these that can state how their carrying experience has been? That federal gun control laws are hard to come by because of all of the above. A bonus is that you can use higher capacity magazines (9mmP & 45ACP) in both Glocks ;) My Browning 1911-380 actually has a longer barrel than my Kimber 1911 Ultra CDP. Fortunately plenty exists. The main reason the military and law enforcement switched to 9mm, is to "accommodate" people (females) with weaker upper body strength. My "bedroom" gun (the one I keep ready for home defense situation) is a 1911 Gov. That would explain why unbelieving (LOST) people in "HELL" "BURN, but NEVER BURN-UP"..!!!"??? Also, in a self-defense situation outside of your home, theres a higher likelihood that you wont be firing your gun at close range like in a home-defense scenario. I'm not knocking the 9mm as a protection weapon. I have both and like them both. A 9mm is generally cheaper, has less recoil and higher velocity than a .45 ACP. Varmint applies to large game too.. Ha, Ha, Ha. I am. They are way more similar than they are different, and its up to everyone to make the choice whats right for them. That being said, every one raves about the FPS of the 9mm. This isnt a pride of ownership statement either. My highest capacity 45 is my home defense weapon. You might be wondering which caliberis better for youthe 9mm or the .45 ACP. Its the gun I run classes with and is setup on my battle/SHTF rig. Case closed. Having some experience with both calibers and owning every one you can name I would also like to mention body armor/bullet proof vest testing. Copyright Ammotogo.com 2023 All Rights Reserved. I may not always be there. When did this stop being about the two rounds up for discussion? Personally I like them all! Whereas in .45, fully half of the rounds made 500 ft lb or more in a 6" barrel, and one round made better than 600 ft lb A 40 will fire a lighter bullet at higher muzzle velocity and considerably more pressure. Your personal guarantee is meaningless. They're comparable. The best home defense round of all time is a good old 12 gauge 2 3/4" low brass #6 shot. Copyright Ammotogo.com 2023 All Rights Reserved. Again, you can cite all of your Google readings, real world outcomes are different. Every time. its a good idea to review any state and local laws before buying a 9mm if youre set on having a 15+1 capacity gun. Enjoyed the reasoned comments. This will eliminate the threat on fewer rounds. Easier to conceal and handle. Plus, I think the just plain weight of the 45 carries more "oomph". In fact, since the world began, only 3 people have been:- Also for me a thicker grip adds to my control, control adds to faster more accurate follow ups. For most self-defense applications Critical Defense ammo will work fine, and with a muzzle velocity of 1,135 fps out of a four-inch barrel this 115-grain 9mm bullet generates 332 ft.-lbs. He noted that the wall was splattered with not just blood, but flesh and bone. LCP Max may be a contender for that first category, but I might wait for the Glock answer (a 42x? I rely on my skill to execute the shot. New developments not only improved the 9mm, modern 45ACP can make a 1 hole and 50% more energy delivered on target. Just for amusement value (not scientific) I once fired a glock 17 with a fmj 115 gr bullet into a ten inch square creosoted fence post. While modern ammo allows a 9mm to reliable penetrate sufficiently and expand to over .6, the 45 can now reliably penetrate sufficiently and expand to over 3/4 of an inch. I would recon my 5 or close to 6 inch barrel Walther p 22 loaded with them with rapid shots would do okay . 1300+ FPS in my Glock 30. I would go with what I shoot best. YouTube - Store data on what videos from YouTube the user has seen. I love Eric's articles. As for the tool, I like the Springfield XD series. Now you may assume that the 9mm's must be effective because they simply passed through the body since more than half were FMJ's. I have pistols chambered in .22lr, 9mm Luger, .40 S7W, 357 SIG, and .45 ACP. With all calibers, try to match your bullet to your purpose. We'll cover the pros & cons of 9mm vs .45 ACP, from stopping power to expansion, accuracy, price, capacity, and more. But it's like buying a vehicle, or picking out a new bass as far as there are pros and cons to each one. 3. One important fact is the combat readiness, safety and ease of use of the 1911. To say that the 9mm Luger has been a success would be a severe understatement. Energy is a square of velocity. 9, 38, 40, 10, 45..they ALL have advantages..I think NONE have a substantial disadvantage. Correct, I have not shot many people. I went along with more powerful is more effectiv and broke hammer struts on two N frames aka back to S&W factory. Everyone wants to put down the 45 and take up the 9 because they wont take the time and energy to get proficient with the 45, and if you are too weak or candy a## you never will master the 45. Thus, you have a yearly day qual and a yearly night/low light qual and thats it. Primer: Boxer. I carried and used the 45 ACP in the military. I will always have a 1911, because it is my favorite gun to shoot. Do your research. Accuracy is affected by the stress of being shot at, the need to establish effective cover, high respiratory rate from the exertion required to get to that cover, moving (and sometimes multiple) targets and other factors. The .45 was becoming a dinasaur. . or 38 & 45 both. Thanks for the one sided argument. is go to a range and try both. I was a die hard .45 fan but when I got the concealed license, it just wasn't comfortable to carry. that is much easier to deal with. 20-30% really isn't that bad. Contact Us. Proponents of the spray say that the spray is more effective, because you don't have to worry about getting out your gun and having the presence of mind to get on target in a few seconds. I carry a Sig P320 Compact in .45 ACP (I mainly carry .45 ACP) and 357 SIG. But, because they get less than 12" of penetration in ballistic gel, they are not tested. Once you're done with your YouTube videos, come back when you get some real world experience with that one 9mm you've taken to the range once. But the idea that the .45 will stop a man in his tracks no matter where you shoot him is preposterous. Modern 9mm hollowpoints nearly always expand, especially if you're using +p rounds at close range it's pretty much guaranteed. I'll be shooting faster when I'm more confident that I can hit the target (the closer the distance; the bigger the target; the easier to handle, more accurate the gun). A .45 is a solid push in you hand. Faster bullets are generally more reliable for downrange shooting because they dont drop nearly as much. Be familiar! LEOs average 20-30% hits in a gunfight. Federal American Eagle 9mm BONUS: Shoot better. Later when they started coming out with pocket 9mm handguns I started to practice with those. However, I am getting an M&P9 2.0 for my daily carry. My instructors told me that the main r reason the Navy didn't want to switch to a 9mm was that you can hit a 300 pound man with a 9mm as he's running toward you. The big difference in the 9mm and .45 which is often overlooked is if you have less than a 4 barrel on your 9mm even the the best (law enforcement grade) ammo under preformed; which negates the smaller 9mms, I like and own both and both have a mission. 4. Lusting after a 20 from which to shoot green tips. And after all, spending more time on the range does make you a better marksman. Come to the UK. I'm carrying a 45, and it was because of the lesser penetration that I decided on it. When i saw people who were actually shot with it and survived I opted for the 40 S&W. This will likely require a head shot. Simply stated, the faster they strike the faster they stop. When it happens your mind will likely go blank. 5.7mm FN 30 Grain SS195LF Jacketed Hollow Point Average muzzle velocity: 2162 fps Average muzzle energy: 311 ft/lbs. If I did, I would either aviod the area or take a rifle. It is waaay better than me using my own time, ammo and chrono buddy to get it done. They are equally comfortable to carry and to shoot. It will punch through and swing it a little. The marines and FBI went to the 9 so women could qualify because only 1 in 10 can with a 45. though they cant come out and say so. This would most likely result in you firing at the assailant in a less accurate fashion as well as possibly harming others. Partnered with Ofcr Perry Hutchison It would seem fitting to re-hash a couple of events Richard Harvey. Because when you are confronted in your living room, at a distance of 10-15 feet, you have to drop him before he can fire or you are going to get hit. The big question is how to navigate the freeze and put rounds on target. From the days of the trusty Colt M1911 to. A .45 is good for inside the home. And no a 45 will not knock you off your feet. Getting back to the point the 9mm gives less recoil and many cops nowadays cant shoot for shit. Interesting discussion thanks for the insight and thoughts. 9mm is the way to-go. Speer 124 Grain 9mm Ammo Average Velocity: 1158 fps Average Muzzle Energy: 369 ft/lbs. All the comments are great. This can be accomplished two ways. My understanding is that most defensive shootings occur at 10 feet or less; probably because of the requirement to hold off until you are in fear of losing your life (home invasions not withstanding). I could not agree with you more on every level. The Ruger LC380 is her favorite. It depends on the body armor (type and quality) as well as the ammunition used. I do like shooting the .45acp But a 1911 commander as much as I love it, is harder to fit in my pocket. When all you have is six rounds, you sure better be accurate, reloading took precious time. That's up in 10mm territory! Some people are hard to stop. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Performance". Two ProPac set-ups on the buttstock & forestock allow for two 9RD & two 20RD extra mags onboard. This should bring a target down. What does "slow" mean? Double tap from the leather in 1.5 seconds. Based on the data above, it appears that almost all loads tested got their greatest percentage increase in velocity up until about a 7" barrel length. The 9mm Luger has a muzzle velocity of 1,120 feet-per-second (fps), while the .357 Magnum touts a muzzle velocity of 1,240 fps, despite the fact that its bullet is 34 grains heavier. If you don't currently write articles professionally, you should consider doing so. Across the spectrum, the .45 had no discernible or predictable muzzle velocity reading between barrel lengths with the shortest length often outpacing the longer ones. "Well, this might rock your world but Id recommend getting one of each." Did you know Eve was not the first woman? Just a thought. Actually, the US & the West generally helped the Russians defeat Germany. The only advantage the mode 59 has is the rear sight to adjustable for both windage and elevation . But I know you won't understand. We also use third-party cookies that help us analyze and understand how you use this website. My 45 is a Sig dual tone full size 1911 and I like the weight and the 5 inch barrel. And full metal jacket 5.56 bullets are not more effective than 7.62 x 51 using full metal jacket from what I have read. And if a Riot Festival ;looms, I'll be riding in the back seat doing Green Beret carry of either my AK or AR, too. On these metrics, the rounds are generall equal. But the greater concern is, that Judges in my country do not like defensive shooting. * Universal availability or AMMO--actually should be #1 !! But do please keep up the good work with the site - from a country where only the police are allowed handguns, its like a window on the free world. For a carry I use a compact 45. But really, the majority of gun deaths are either suicide or ignorance about how to properly operate the firearm , not malicious intent ! Physics got us to the moon, Im pretty sure it can calculate which bullet is more lethal. When it comes to the issue of 9mm vs .45, obviously bullet placement and bullet construction is key for stopping an assailant. According to Newtons famous law of equal and opposite reactions, if the bullet is leaving the projectile at a higher speed (which means higher energy), the kick of your rifle against your shoulder or a pistol against your hand will be harder. -- For 9mm, some who prefer high capacity and easier recoil, I understand. Hi Chris. With a good modern defensive ammo, the 9mm is just as powerful as any .45, just in different ways. How can the 9mm "have the same wound tracks as a .45 ACP" when the .45 expands to an inch diameter? That said, I'm splitting hairs, because I can handle both well enough, and I would feel well armed with either. Even the FBI report states that 9mm makes it easier for their agents to qualify. While the 9's, well, they kept on fighting on theor feet. Ill stick with my slower freight train that will knock a person flat down, even on a sloppy hit, lol. But, to add to your argument, I read about an encounter a couple of years back where a large man broke into a house and tried to attack the lady of the house and her child. Practice practice and take a gun class to learn the law. In a 6 feet or less fire fight, if I have not subdued my attacker in 7 rounds. I like both & depending on where I'm going, how long I'll be gone, what I'm wearing & how I'm feeling makes my choice for me. (Here are more tips on how to shoot more accurately.). Had I not already had an investment in 9mm equipment and ammo I would have considered the 45. I own, shoot and train with few firearms and calibres, including the Glock's 19, 26 and 30S. The damage is the same and no 2 wound channels end up being the same on 45 or 9mm. The only good news is that those gunfights are extremely rare. Exactlyother than the special forces, army and specially trained police. I also read several years ago about a young lad at home on his own, who had essentially been tasked with defending the home if anyone tried to break in. You have seconds literally to get your gun on to the bear. But this is my decision. Over penetration should not be an issue. Hollowpoint should (mostly) negate over penetration. It's about energy. According to one major online ammo retailer, in 2013 the 9mm accounted for 21.4 percent of all ammunition sales, beating out 223/5.56 by nearly six percent. The 9mm is ballistically superior to the .38 Special, there's no doubt about that. That's a reasonable assumption, but it's not the only possibility. Seriously, people think that the 9mm rounds are the only that made progress in development. They had a narcotic in them to keep them advancing until they expired. Did four years of our fighting? A 9mm will sting ya but a 45 will break your ribs. Just my two cents. It could be that when hollow points fail, 9mm isn't going deep enough, and perhaps the FMJ's don't overpenetrate in this caliber as much as others (especially because the most popular FMJ rounds are usually lighter 115 grain bullets). A lot of posts and comments online like this are theory, maybe based on some truth or facts, but a lot of people theorize on this and that. I love your Pro / Con's of each. This is why K.E. Now, I can see all kinds of comments coming from that one, from 'good idea' to 'that's a terrible idea'. The switched to the 45 because they needed something that transferred more energy to the target to knock them down. 9x19mm Parabellum is by far the most popular handgun cartridge for self-defense in the world. It is inherently easy to remove from safe to fire and the safety is constructed well. 45cals are GREAT and so are 9mm, but If you Hit a ATTACKER IN the NECK or CHEST with a 9mm he is not going to say, "It's only a 9mm let me finish attacking this person". You cite physics you don't understand and claim that your opinion is fact. Recoil isnt an issue in a Glock and my G30 has out shot a few custom guns. Since the shooter is the main determinant in any weapons efficacy for self-defense, that is possibly the 9mm greatest strength. Haha. Well written article. But to a victim or an attacker, what happens when an intruder gets hit by birdshot may be a lot different to 00. I do just like the author says. I also carry .357 Sig In the winter time for thicker clothing on my would be enemies. Try a .357 magnum . I solved the argument of the 9mm vs the 45acp I have a 10mm and it's the best of both worlds, I am a Competition shooter I have shock sigsauer 9 mm Very unimpressed first of all Sigg Sire that I have the frame is bent And, if you are really concerned about penetration on hard targets, then you should probably be carrying a magnum or the .357 SIG or 10mm rounds, not a 9x19mm or .45 ACP. This first is 9mm Trajectory vs .40 S&W Trajectory and the second is the Muzzle Velocity differences between the different barrel lengths when shooting the same standard ammunition. This is why armor piercing fin stabilized discarding sabot tank rounds fly at speeds above 5000 fps. The HST .45 ACP does it with its massive permanent wound cavity (for a handgun). The people are different, the lifestyle is different, the people think different. Both rounds are great in my book I definitely use both depending on the situation at hand. So I purchased big bore gun :D and hope for rapid blood pressure drop which will cause unconsciousness, or that this bullet will go trought and break spine. More stopping power. LockA locked padlock States where the max is ten bullets per magazine then 45 cal. So I'm an operating room nurse in a level 1 trauma center. The velocities displayed are an average taken from six readings. pros y contras, el 9mm. I believe you can make darn near any caliber and pistol you have just as flexible as the next caliber. I was surprised because the gun twisted in my palm about 1/2" or more to my left with a sharp pinging sound that was not very comfortable to my ears. Nobody is saying 45ACP cannot kill a man. The G 17 is probably the most carried pistol in American LE. Best thing to do before buying, in my opinion, Its not the same underpowered round that the FBI abandoned in the early 1980s. The wound tracks of a 9mm and a .45 ACP are almost the same. now the m1991A normally carries 7 rounds and the model 59 carries 15 but living here in Ca. We see this repeated in other products. Shot placement will be your main concern with any bear. I noticed that also that new powders and more advanced bullet designs seem to ONLY apply to the 9mm. When my wife got her concealed I insisted on that weapon. We all know the answer. It's both in physical and mental ability. Well, lets take a look at these two rounds and pit them against one another. Underwood ammo shows muzzle energy of 600-725 range for the 10mm and 1074-1125+ for 41. anything extra and your My advice is practice, practice, practice!! I have 9mm carry weapons, but I'm thinking of doing the home defense thing the way you described! WIth that size gun/barrel you have lots of options. Wonder what would be the longest barrel before a 9mm starts dropping speed. Learn all the important stuff about handgunswith none of the attitude. you can not have any mags that hold more then 10 rounds, so I had to buy 10 round mags for the model 59 and at the same time I found 10 round ags for the m1991A. My experience has led me to the same conclusion. I once knew a fellow how kept a revolver loaded with snake shot on the living room mantle (kids and all) so his wife would have something to fire at an intruder which would essentially scare him off without killing him. Certain matches require major or minor Power Factors. It is also something to consider when deciding on a load to purchase that you know will be used in a variety of pistols for a variety of purposes such as IDPA or 3-Gun. Think of throwing a baseball: when you throw the ball with a light, slow lob, it will drop quickly and its trajectory will look more like an arch. Where do I stand on the 9mm vs .45ACP debate? I bet if a poll was done on best semi auto handguns glock would win by a landslide, H&K by far . Funny thing though, the administrators weren't the ones facing the enemy and while the 38LC was easy to shoot (basically a 9mm Luger ballistic wise), it did not stop determined attackers so the Army re-issued the 45 Long Colt. LolYour comments are the only ones I've read here filled with ignorance and apparent inexperience. One of the important aspects of terminal performance is the transfer of energy. Put several makes and models in your hand. My personal word: . The time fighting is a poor metric for how wars are won. When the impact speeds significantly surpass about 1600-fps, there is a very definite and measurable decrease in penetration depth. you make me laugh. This is the true speed that the bullet is capable of traveling when fired from a standard handgun in good working order. Hard recoil can also impact follow-up shots in self-defense situations, so some recommend slower cartridges as opposed to hotter rounds, especially for smaller or weaker gun owners. My "house gun" of choice: .45 Long Taurus Public Defender. The Banshee (as well as MP5, and a few others) use a mechanical delay that siphons off a fair bit of that recoil energy . Currently i own no 45,s. By the time my dad made it to Korea he was already an experienced shooter. This is a great article period.! While slightly impractical, the .45 ACP also has the coolness factor on its side. Momentum is more important than energy for potency. My .380 S&W Bodyguard is so small, I'm considering getting a slightly larger .380 with a longer barrel for backup. Now a .44 magnum round to the arm or leg? My practice is Steel Challenge for about 14 years + USPSA and Zombie. Allow me to offer a suggestion (well not a suggestion as the FBI state's so)..the FBI did not drop the .40 cal due to the improvement in .9mm ammo. Both are valid points and very understandable reasons to prefer one over the other. This is meant to give a clear and uncluttered picture to the consumer or end user in regard to what is currently available off the shelf. And then some more. Perhaps the slowing velocity is a factor here, but that seems unlikely to me. A group of people tried that, and he killed them all, I think he killed three men with a .22 rifle. The FBI and the armys surgeon General have done extensive data gathering. This means you have less of a chance of hitting an innocent bystander through a wall in a self-defense scenario. I hope this helps. Still, nothing like the feel of a nice heavy, ..45. customized to your liking as your arsenal 'anchor'. My favorite, but too heavy for every day is my 4" 41 Mag Smith. With a revolver if you get a dud its no big deal. There is a difference between an LEO and a civilian. Tanks, trucks, rifles, the UK's ability to actually fight a war was incredibly damaged and near unsurvivable had the Germans pressed an attack. 9mm Luger Results in fps Click here for a Muzzle Energy graph for the tests in this caliber. They say those things from a position of authority and impressionable young guys grow up and repeat them decades later. 12 RD mags, and 15 RD mags that dont take away from the beauty of the gun. I'm sticking with ole tried and true 1911. Once you're done watching YouTube videos, come back when you have more real world experience. Better find out. They're both about the same energy in most common defensive rounds between the two calibers. Bye, Vendetta? But after doing extensive research I've come to the conclusion that the ultimate home defense gun other than a 12 gauge would be a 45 pistol like the CMMG Banshee with a suppressor. This is America, not the UK. The velocity gains experienced were so unsurprising that I found that I was able to guess before looking at the chronograph by the time I was shooting the Glock 34. (, We noticed that you have previously logged in with your, Check what do you get by creating an account, Bookmark and compare your favorite firearms, The debate over the 9mm and .45 ACP is one of the, The U.S. Army eventually switched over to the. Aside from that, aren't they using the same bullet technology on .45 as they are on 9mm? Or blind them. In my experience the 9 millimeter is effective to about 110 yards and semi effective beyond that. yo prefiero una .45 acp de gran capacidad, p 14, una mega star, una glock en modelos 21 y 30; todas ellas por el gran poder de contundencia. 2. 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